53 Comments on USPS Warning to Postal Employees About Campaigning Against Mail changes

Fed up in MO on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 11:04 am


So they are basically telling us to stand aside and let them do what they want to do with no resistance? I don’t think so. We are fighting for our jobs and we will do what it takes to keep them, not have upper management steam roll us. Do they honestly think we are idiots? I will have them know, we know more about what’s best for the USPS then they do. Tell them to “step aside” and let us take over and do what’s right. They’ve shown us they don’t know how, or maybe it’s more like they won’t.

FRED on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 11:10 am


I surely hope they are not trying to tell a retired worker what to do. I put up with their crap for over 30 years. I’ll be dammmed if I’m going to let any postal sup tell me what to do. I’ll punch you right in the face you moran supervisor.

Ingrid on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 11:36 am


They use the term “re-educate”. Sounds like the same thing the Nazis and Commies used to do. I have the right to speak my mind when I am off the clock. The Post Office, being part of the Federal Government, cannot infringe upon that right.

Dumajanik the mechanic on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 11:40 am


Yes, retired or not, we must appease the corrupt managers, they need the bonus,
do resist.

Dumajanik the mechanic on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 11:42 am


So labor can, and if you belong to a Union, OK, just do it as a union member !

Hello to change on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 11:44 am


Time to fire all active “Postals” who participate and conspire to go postal, and cut the retirement benefits of the “Postals” who conspire to influence the community for their exclusive benefit of going postal.

Austerity now for the useless overpaid Postal employees.

Someone track down Postal Fred, he may be going postal.

Gone postal.

Ingrid on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 11:53 am


According to this memo, the PMG violated the ELM by talking to Congress and, therefore, should be re-educated.

Fed up in MO on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 11:55 am


For: Hello to Change,

You either are blind to all the BS inside the PO, or you don’t have a clue because you don’t work there. If you don’t know, then don’t comment.

Postal Guy on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:14 pm


So it’s OK for them to break our contract but not OK for us?

Steve on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:19 pm


Why would the want the customer to hear both sides of the story? Could it be that they wan to lie without being required to provide proof?

When I am off the clock and out of uniform I am a Postal customer. OH- I almost forgot, I am an American citizen also..

ACLU time….

INSPECTOR 19 on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:21 pm


WARNING
DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO
FOOEY TO YOU

enufisenuf on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:26 pm


Have no fear. Omar will make sure everything comes to a dead stop at the union so tons of grievances can be filed on this. That’ll show em! Expect some sort of article from him on this! What a guy! He’s a fighter! WowWeee!

“Vote for me and I’ll set you free…rap on brutha-rap on!”

BIG JOE on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:34 pm


MESSAGE TO MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS: NOW THEY ARE ATTACKING OUR FUNDEMENTAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND PROTEST… DONT BACK DOWN AND KEEP UP THE PROTESTS!!!!!

MESSAGE TO POSTMASTER DONAHOE: FUCK YOU!

John redman on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:38 pm


Off the clock.

Just an Americian Citizen on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:50 pm


Hey asswhole managers….read the FIRST Amendment. Try and screw with us and the ACLU will be all over you like ignorance on a manager.

bigjed on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:51 pm


So, this part of the contract they want to uphold.

Or is this in the ELM?
Which, I guess is more important than a contract

Manuel Laybore on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 12:54 pm


Does that include the Postmaster General who is also a postal worker? He, after all, is campaigning to make a 5 day delivery week?

Matt on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 1:42 pm


Wait are we breeching our contract?? Ummm what about the part where it says no lay offs??? Be faithful??? Ummm OKKKKKKKK

Matt on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 1:45 pm


The reason they put the no lay off clause in was so we would not strike. So no that no lay off is out I see no reason we can’t strike.

Rhonda on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 2:17 pm


So I guess the upper-level so-called managers who are advocating “changes in mail service” will now be in trouble, right?? Oh wait – it said it applies to those in “active status.” Since those folks are part of the non-productive personnel, I guess they are in ‘passive status,’ so can push whatever agenda gets them the biggest bonus!

the pav on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 2:19 pm


the IDIOTS on top think were idiots on the bottom, i’ ll do what i want off the clock

kyjo on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 3:29 pm


Hey, we’re part of the community too.

mojo on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 3:34 pm


corporate fascists: the statement also says that being part of labor allows for comment

bill on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 3:49 pm


I’m an employee of the USPS. I am also an actual customer. Those two terms are not mutually exclusive. I am also a member of my community. I am a member of the public. Hear me speak, and judge me by my words.
This message was approved by Thomas Jefferson.

retribution on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 4:31 pm


A brief message to managers and supervisors. You lie , is also again the elm. Keep reading you may actually find some useful information.

The Honest Truth on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 4:38 pm


Management is scared and desperate now.
They will do all they can to prevent Congress from joining the employees side in the USPS mess created by past management and current management.
Even it means trying to block postal emplyees First Amendment Rights.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Issa and Ross suggested to management to come up with this warning.
Sounds like something they would come up with.
Note:
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

doug on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 5:04 pm


union workers dont sign these petitions that the union wants done before oct 29 . they want to keep 6 day delivery . there is not enough mail to justify 6 day delivery. 5 day delivery is the way to go it saves 3 billion a year all these crack head union leaders want is more union dues coming in,while they get there greasy hands and stuff there pockets with union dues. 5 DAY DELIVERY IS THE WAY TO GO JUST LIKE MOST AMERICANS WORK MON- FRI

2 thumbs up on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 5:39 pm


Baucus’ bill builds on legislation introduced in the House of Representatives by adding the protection for rural offices. Postal workers recently rallied in support of the House bill at Post Offices across Montana.

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409scott on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 5:46 pm


RU kidding me ? The WORKERS have done nothing but sacrifice for this company…while the so called managers have done such positive things like hiring more Exec.’s so we can MANAGE our way out ! HA-HA !!!! We had an Idiot PMG for 12 years who never made a penny and walked away with $10 million severance and now we have his hand picked IDIOT replacement to finish us off….SO we should just sit back and enjoy the pain….UP yer butts Joboo !!!!! I got an Idea, time for the exec’s to line up and fall on their swords ! It would finally show a little honor !!!!!!!!!!!

Dan Miller on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 5:50 pm


Basically, this is PMG Donohoe telling us all to bend over. That guy is no better than John Potter was. No wonder the USPS is in such a mess. A million solutions to consider, and the only one he chooses to see is to lay 200,000 of us off. Congress ought to lay him off.

Dave Aultman on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 6:14 pm


This is misleading. I can post what I want, when I want as long as it’s not derogatory against the Postal Service. I can also participate in community events, write to my congressman, and exercise my 1st Amendment rights under the Constitution. What I cannot do under 667 of the ELM is say things that are against or disloyal to my service. I can say that my boss and I have had sex on numerous occasions in the office. I cannot say who my boss is or where I work. I can say that I have engaged in illicit activities with my employees. I cannot say who they are or where I work. Do you understand? I don’t think you do. I must get back to my computer games now while earning top dollar in a secretarial role.

Joe Palau on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 6:22 pm


FIRST THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY MY JOB AND NO MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH?????

I AS AN AMERICAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THE RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE. I WILL NOT STOP PRACTICING EITHER OF THEM.

I AM AN AMERICAN FIRST AND A POSTAL WORKER LAST~!

joemama on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 7:00 pm


Hatch Act !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hatch Act !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solomon's wisdom on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 7:31 pm


Just finished mail count for rural carriers,route is 42k- 50.5 hrs. would take about 46.5 hrs do to in 5 days. 5+ hours of o/t for me vs 8+ hrs for rca. only savings is ema. after my tsp payment post office loses more money

Harv Sing on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 7:35 pm


Active status means “On the clock” ya do do heads. You can participate if off the clock.

AllenE.C. on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 8:43 pm


what part of save american postal jobs is a negative towards the postal service we want to keep our job and be a part of the american way of life. Ending our jobs would put 660 ,000 people on unemployment how much would that cost you tax payers get a clue

ONE who lived through USPS hell! on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 9:26 pm


I believe the Postmaster General himself broke this so called rule when he stepped forth at least 7 times before Congress and asked for Changes to the way the mail is going to be delivered!

All this is posted on U-Tube for the whole world to see and yet some moron puts this PDR out to all USPS employees . The ELM Rule in Question here is not about our informational pickets and how SUCCESSFUL THEY WERE.This ELM LAW does not apply in this case.. I believe we as Unions should fight this however we could and have the USPS RE-EDUCATE their managers in the Proper use of ELM LAWS- which until now the USPS has simply ignored.

Funny how the USPS Twists things to their benefit. It is like playing a game of Monopoly with someone who creates their own rules to win the game.

Look at how they have ignored the ELM — National Reassement PROGRAM broke many ELM RULES… check this out.. Failure to Reasonably accomodate injured employees — within their offices — within their crafts– within their shifts– within their pay charts. They left a trail of Discrimination so vast.. that it will take a decade or more for all of the cases to be finished and that alone will cost the USPS millions upon millions of dollars in the near future.. not only with attorneys fees but also with court and compensatory and punitive damages.

Look at the 120 thousand employees in the McConnell Class Action … not including the 2 other class action cases that are set before EEOC.

Engaging and expressing themselves before Congress and for the world to see… does that not break the same rule they seem to be applying to their own employees?– Obviously they want to eat steak but we are forced to eat slop when it comes to their way of thinking.

ONE who lived through USPS hell! on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 10:00 pm


To Harvey

ACTIVE Status does not mean on the clock.. look in your personnel file on lightblue.com… If you currently work for the USPS you are on ACTIVE Status.. Then there is Non Active status.. like if you take a long leave of absence or you are in the Military.. your job is being held for you.. Then there is Terminated which means you have been seperated from Active Service.. which means you either Retired or was fired.

sconniegirl on Wed, 5th Oct 2011 10:31 pm


hmmm, seems to me we have the hatch act to silence us from participating in partisan politics on the clock, but if a customer asks me a question that is not directly related to any party? will i still be there? how does one answer? i guess we all just say we are in the same boat, public, and private….

what we do or say off the clock is our own choice as far as postal closings go, as an active employee, it would maybe be best to function as someone who gives advice….that would not prohibit me from providing my family and friends who chose to speak out with information, nor do i think if we are citizens of the affected area that we can be prohibited from speaking out, as citizens…but read lightly, and be mindful of the hatch act….off duty and on duty…..

go retirees….speak your mind and advocate!!

ZACK on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 3:27 am


Are we in Communist China? Next thing – Issa will draw-up a bill saying that Postal Workers can’t say anything negative about him or his policies.

ZACK on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 3:31 am


I didn’t serve in the Military so that the USPS could order me to keep my mouth shut. F-YOU

PostalJoe on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 6:20 am


Strength in numbers…
Participate in the informational pickets alongside your Union brothers and sisters. I did. It was well worth my time and draws attention to our plight. It was great to see our citizens smiling, waving, honking horns to show their support. There are many varied opinions on the best way to solve our financial woes. The bottom line is that our elected officials and USPS Board of Governors will have the final say, whether we like it or not. Hang in there folks and play it smart.

postalvet on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 6:58 am


who the hell blocked out the managers name????

we want to know what asshole put thisout!!!!

what city did this letter come from???

Melissa on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 7:25 am


Less talking, more working!

rrhammer on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 7:37 am


Since the post office cherry-picks the parts of the ELM it is going to follow and ignores the rest, i tend to do the same.

Don on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 7:38 am


Let’s not confuse the “actual customers” with facts. The public is finally waking up to the people running the PO.. This sounds like something right out of Communist Red China.

Kaye Norris on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 10:46 am


I think we ought to apply what Issa is pushing starting with Congress. Start with the most senior people and work your way down. Anyone who has been there over 4 years should be gone. Term limits are a must! Make them pay for everyday items like HEALTHCARE, and they should have the same choices we have….they are no better than anyone else.
Then we can start with UPPER LEVEL postal management. They are the ones who make the BIG bucks. How many jobs could be saved if their sorry butts were gone? They don’t even TOUCH the mail. We are the ones who actually process and deliver the mail. All they do is push a pencil, make IDIOTIC decisions, rearrange and rework things about facilities they have never been in, and pat themselves on the back. Then they rape the Postal Service by taking a bonus…some to the tune of MILLIONS of dollars when they go. Shame on them! They make triple and beyond what our salaries are, and don’t even pay their healthcare costs. UNBELIEVABLE! Quit raping the Postal Service and the hard working employees who actually CARE about customer service.

Time for Action on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 3:36 pm


Well, lets see…..ok, ok, ok….if every single one of us who doesn’t want the Postal Service dictating our First Amendment Rights in the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION …should write, write, write, and write some more to every senator, congressman and any other person we want to WRITE to because that is our right under the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA….not only will our congresspeople get the message but we will increase revenue…We are AMERICANS WITH THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. The USPS is a little to big for their britches and their house of cards is crumbling. Of course they want us to keep our mouths shut….it’s like a modern day plantation: PostMASTER, and our retirement and health benefits plans (which we do pay a pretty penny to be bestowed them) are the chains that keep us there…..They just don’t want us tellin’ John Q Public about the whippins’.

Jim on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 3:52 pm


OK all of you workroom lawyers, when you put on your carrier uniforms, some of which could use a good rinsing at least, remember this, you LOSE your first amendment rights. And Congress will probably side with you, slugs usually stick together.

Gary on Thu, 6th Oct 2011 6:48 pm


Management should realize we are not just an employee but we are also a CUSTOMER TOO! As a customer we have the right to ask for proper service.

TruthSeeker on Fri, 7th Oct 2011 11:59 am


O.K., So let me see if I understand this warning letter, with the writer’s signature blackened out as if in fear of retaliation if his/her name were known. Is the warning really saying, “We (USPS) plan on punching you in the nose and then breaking both of your legs with our Donaho Slugger brand baseball bat so you can’t work to feed your family, BUT IF YOU RESPOND IN A PEACEFUL PROTEST, YOU WILL BE FIRED?” If so, then my response to that inequity is simply this: If you piss on me, I will most definately track & hunt you down to piss on you, you corrupt, gutless, moron, crook, lie & deny twisted MF EAS manager.
What goes around comes around.

Skye Shepard on Fri, 7th Oct 2011 5:25 pm


Let me tell you that I believe this came from the Greater Indiana District Manager, “ELS,” and what a crock it is! If you ONLY KNEW all the postal “laws” he is breaking, and has been since he was first employed with the USPS! I know how many rules and laws he is constantly breaking – and getting paid quite well while doing it! And let’s not forget his side-kick the Plant Manager, “BG!” They have been raping the postal service by giving their friends and family the best jobs in the postal service, jobs these people do not deserve, and I believe there is a “RULE” against nepotism, but I guess it doesn’t apply to them, just everybody else. Give us a break, man! You people are the worst! It’s do as I say and not as I do, eh? Both these people are the scum-of-the-earth. Apparently, that is what our people in the “upper echelons” want to hire to govern the masses. It’s a shame that they do things for political reasons and not for the good of the organization!

eaugustin on Mon, 10th Oct 2011 8:08 pm


hey don-the-hoe, you good-for-nothing, mother-fucking, cock-sucking, scum-sucking asswipe, you CAN’T fire me!!! SLAVES HAVE TO BE SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!